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Anon 11/27/2022 (Sun) 15:10:00 ID:1f232e No. 2307
After reading about life of Ali, I dont think anyone who has a soul can stay a christian, Jew, Hindu or any other irrelevant faith. Shi'a Islam is the truth. We pledge adherence to the wali, Our wasil, Our Imam, Imam Ali (a.s.) and all the ahl al-bayt.....
islam is not a religion its a cult
>>2307 Full support to shia sirs. Soecially when they beat thenselves like animal ,hope women would do that too without clothes
>>2308 We are talking about shi'a islam, not sunnis (which I agree with, its against Allah and is a cult of infidels)
>>2307 Ok bro, All religions are obsolete. I am not an atheist though. The person I find most rational and truthful is Krishna.
>>2307 Indeed brother, Islam is the only truth. I await Imam Mahdi who will unite us Muslims and kill all the Jews and Hindus of the world and make it a better place.
>>2307 I want to be a shite too sir. Guide me
>>2310 Same shit you are gonna be killed by Sunnis and than we will kill them
>>2311 >krishnacuck Kys cuck
>>2312 >Imam Mahdi will easily be recognized by the traits the Prophet Muhammad Now tell me he wasn't a narcissistic schizo Jewish implant to make the perfect golem people for them
>>2315 Read Gita and praise him murkh along with Surya and Indra
>>2317 Surya? The lowest god? Indra ? About him nobody knows anything other than embarassing momemts? Krishna? The fucking womanizer manwhore? No thanks.
>>2317 Don't waste time on arrogant and ignorant tards.
>>2312 >>2316 According to Islam, Muhammad is the final Prophet. The whole Mahdi thing is likely a later addition to the lore.
>>2316 Imagine thinking Intense Womanizing ability is something unholy or ungodly, Abrahamics are such Incels.
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>>2313 People often make this succession thing a whole political affair. But you should know being a shia or sunni is a more religious and, yeah, ofc, guiding the ummah was joined in it. Our Prophet Muhammad's (pbuh) family line was selected by allah to lead the muslims. This family line started from Abraham (he is prophet's (pbuh) direct ancestor). And the ones who belong to this line, his family, ahl al byat are the one who should guide muslims all around the world as is made by the clear in the holy quran. Sunnis killed prophet's family for political gain and made islam , a political power taking competition. I would suggest, you read pic related to begin. >>2314 Lol, nobody can kill the truth bro.
>>2320 The 12th imam Mahdi, would be the son of the 11th Imam and it has been known to everyone who's a shia (as)
>>2318 >Surya >Lowest god >Father of Shani who is onlyless powerful that the trishakti >Only god who resides in vishnulok a the highest realm of existence Read chamar read I am can write a lot about Krishna and Indra but I shouldn't waste my time on fools like you
>>2322 The whole thing was a political war nothing else, that's all Islam is about - Politics and Law. Islam is actually nothing but a plagiarisation of Early Christianity and Rabbinic Judaism hybridised with pre Islamic Arabian culture and myths.
>>2323 Yeah whatever but that's BS as far as Islamic Law is considered.
>>2324 Early Vedic God's, their worship and related rituals are not that relevant to modern life. They don't have much to say, Surya worship got reduced to mere cult in later periods. Krishna and Geeta are more relevant imo.
>>2327 I will still praise him Till eternity for life is by him
>>2325 Lol, thats like reading Geeta and saying all what Krishna was just talking all that to just make Arjuna go to war. And your 'early christianity' trope is old. Even revisionist school agrees its not the case >>2326 Shias dont follow sunni law, the synagogue of Yazid..
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>>2327 >>31996 Lol, hindus cant even decide who to pray too
>>2307 Where can I read it
>>2307 Go to sleep mallu.
>>2329 Well Yeah Krishna Told all that to make Arjuna go to War, you are absolutely right. He was very practical. There is nothing wrong with War, it is a reality and must be waged when necessary, for understanding Krishna you will have read a lot. He is very welcoming though. The trope is old because it's true. What you are saying is basically a paradox, Shia Islam can't be Islamic if it doesn't believe in Islamic law, and thus it is a fake religion, because according to Islam, it is the only true religion and Muhammad is it's final prophet.
>>2331 Are you refering to the book I prescribed, Its on libgen. Just search up the author, Tahera Qutbuddin
>>2307 once pakistan ceases to exist, shia brothers in PoK will find a place right beside Iran where they rightfully belong.
>>2330 The concept of One supreme God, is older than Islam. In fact even in Geeta and Vedas, the One Supreme God is Brahman, it is formless and endless, the difference is that it doesn't need any worship. Everything is manifestation of Brahman. Islam has a very narrow and limited understanding of world and life, it is inferior philosophically.
>>2335 Islam and specifically clerical Shia Islam is dead in Iran bro.
>>2333 >according to Islam, it is the only true religion and Muhammad is it's final prophet. No Shia is denying this. Imam is not prophet. Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) was the last prophet in Islam. >>2336 Ofc it is, Belief in one god is the original religious belief of mankind, the true religion of Abraham. Afterwards, they divert and do shirk.
>>2338 Abhraham is younger than the religion of Aryans
>>2339 'Mankind' which originated with Abraham who followed monotheism.. aryans are part of mankind right?
>>2338 The original religion of mankind is actually Animism. The concept of Oneness of everything that is was already present within both Animism and Polytheism, but as I said, people didn't worship the Brahman figure because it didn't make sense, you will have to understand actual concept of Brahman to understand why. Even Judaism was originally polytheistic, In a way Monotheism is first step towards Atheism, as it destroys all beliefs, roots and folklores. Monotheism has actually trivialised the concept of Brahman.
>>2340 I am speaking statistically and with records not philosophically
>>2341 >The original religion of mankind is actually Animism Not even a religion... Its just ooga booga this rock has spirit.. Prophet Abraham (pbuh) was the originator of mankind and he followed islam. Man, you think after dispersing what men did, not what the original father of mankind practiced
>>2340 Lmao. Where are your archaelogical proofs for thr same
>>2343 >Not even a religion... Its just ooga booga this rock has spirit Rich coming from black cube worshippers
>>2330 Abrahamicism is meme
>>2343 > Prophet Abraham (pbuh) was the originator of mankind Humans existed before thousands of years before Abraham uber retard. He was literally a Jew.
>>2343 It was a real religion, Islam itself has lot of Animistic and Polytheistic influences.
>>2343 Accha
>>2342 Give me Stats for the religion of progenitor of mankind being Animism >>2345 Illiterate >>2347 Lol, he wasnt a jew.. he was a muslim.... And progenitor of mankind is a theological question, you'll never find it by scientific method like wat ?
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>>2307 Katua needs to to be taught about brahm the same way they were taught about pooli
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>>2351 This is not uncommon knowledge? Lol every prophet like Moses (pbuh) thought he was talking to a demon.
>>2350 Abraham was an Israelite Jew faggot, He and his children awaited God and his covenant. Islam is objectively false and a slander of Christianity and Judaism. Muhammad was a false prophet and made up revealations. God will punish Muslims, Amen
>>2354 Lol, 3 ≠ 1. Okay.
>>2353 Saracen, You can't steal our fucking prophets.
>>2355 The Trinity doesn't mean there are three gods. It's three parts of one god. You say your worship god while you reject his holy Trinity?
>>2350 >calls others illiterate >believes islam is older than hinduism
>>2357 >3 = 1 Lol. Lmao even.
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>>2359 >"Noo you must accept pisslam, Muhammad was definitely the last prophet, Christ was not crucified, Muhammad is actually sinless despite the fact he rejected Christ's covenant and wants to take our daughters"
>>2359 >>2355 >>2353 >>2350 Dekho yaaro kya zamana hai Katwa logic ,scientific possibilities ki baat kr raha hai
>>2361 Matthew 7 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will know them by their fruits."
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>>2360 Ye babba ji kahan milenge mujhe bhi ek cheez lambi karani hai
>>2343 Abraham was not "Muslim". He followed God.
>>2361 Christ(pbuh) was not crucified Yes, neither was he son of god. God has no sons..lmao >Muhammad(pbuh) is sinless No one, be it prophet or any other human can be sinless. Only god is >Christ's convenant Christ(pbuh) was preaching what abraham(pbuh) did and what Prophet (pbuh) continued. he continued what moses and all preached. Glad, you worship what 'paul' taught you lol.
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>>2353 >every prophet Its larpers problem not actual prophets. Go find a actual proper instead of dead ones who are also schizos. >Moses >musa >Jacob >yakub Stop worshiping Jews
>>2366 Christ is God in human form, Muhammad preached false covenants and made up revealations (explains why God didn't save him from the poison and cut his aorta). Christ effectively was not only a prophet but God in human form who came to guide humanity. Christianity is the only complete way to worship god. Do not worship the words of an equivalent of the AntiChrist (Muhammad may he burn in hell)
>>2366 Allah ka dalla answer my question. You say allah is all powerful. Allah controls everything. Everythung is accn to allahs wish and hiw every chamar born is muslim. If allah wants everyone to be muslim why cant he make them muslims. Why are their so many non muslims. Why did he even send a messenger like pedomad to oreach islam if he himself is so powerful. He can just turn everythung muslim. Either allah is powerless faggot or human more powerful
>>2351 Muhammad had all the symptoms of a schizophrenic sociopath
>>2366 Atleast you accept God is beyond sin.
>>2370 Lol havent you heard his cave story. Negroe spent years in cave and then came blabbering nonsense
>>2370 Indeed, He raped Arab women, condoned killing of god's people and killed innocents. He is the worst false prophet guided by the power of Satan. Gabriel never revealed himself to Muhammad, Satan did.
>>2371 Jesus ki to insano ne hi maa chod di thi Saala comment kahin ka pin hogaya
>>2368 >'oh GOD, why have you forsaken me' >Christ is god Damn, yeah, if you believe God has cognitive dissonance.
>>2369 Free will
>>2375 What is your point? Christ was calling out for his father, the lord.
>>2377 Are father and son same? Or are they two?
>>2344 Un the book said by a narcissistic Jewish faggot
>>2378 The Father, The Son and the Holy spirit form what is of God. Muslims reject the existence of the son and don't consider the holy spirit as a part of god. Unless you accept God in his fullest form, you will not go to heaven.
>>2378 You talk big about Christian prophets being Islamic, Do you follow Moses Covenent? do you follow the levitical laws?
>>2380 You literally divide god's essence into parts as if it can be divided.. Bruh wtf lmao.. see you in hell
>>2382 If you are muslim why will you be in hell
>>2382 And you reject God in his truest form. You and all the other followers of the false prophet will go to hell.
>>2307 >>2310 >>2313 >>2322 >>2335 Shia bro's I've been reading about Shia Islam and it's very interesting. Could you guys tell me, if you established a Caliphate, how would it be different from a Sunni ruled Caliphate? Would you have Jizya and all that crap? Would you tolerate polytheism and paganism? I think Shia muslims are better than Sunnis. They are more civilized and fight with more honour. Sunnis behave like monkey's and just blow themselves along with innocent civilians. They don't use their brains
>>2307 This thread summed up
>>2380 And how can a sinless {man(?) And/or god(?)} dying relieve you from your sins
>>2384 Are you a cumskin if yes fuck off faggot
>>2387 He effectively took the sins of a humans (of the time period, not ever since he died) with him. He left all humans with a clean slate where they could live a sinless life. I was born 2000 years after him, I am not sinless, yet I worship God. Why reject god in his truest form? The Trinity is even mentioned in the Old testament in the book of Isaiah.
>>2386 If you have no debate to bring, please fuck off back to idol worship.
>>2389 The Messiah is called "Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." Some see this verse as meaning the Messiah will represent the Trinity on earth. This is because Counselor is a title for the Holy Spirit (John 14:26), the Trinity is God, Father is a title for God the Father, and Prince of Peace is a title for Jesus. This verse is also used to support the Deity of Christ.[14]
>>2390 Teri maa ki chut mei gadhe ka lund bsdk apni maa chuda ching chong saale Tibetan madarchod
>>2391 Wikipedia isn't really that accurate for Religion but this is evidence.
>>2390 >back to idol worship Sure faggot
>>2392 I'm not tibetan chinky anon newfag, I'm DH
>pisslam >philosophy sure thing goatfucker
>>2394 Finally, You bring a good point. I reject the use of portraits of Christ in churches and other imagery. Christians should only use the cross as symbols of god and reject idol worship
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>>2397 >idol se le bad >cross which signifies same is le good Christcucks man
>>2398 How is the cross idol worship? Jews used the Ark of the covenant to worship God as it was his seat on earth, that doesn't mean they were worshipping the ark itself.
>>2385 A sunni ruled caliphate would be based on Islamic law, but not that which was used by Uthman. Imam Ali (as) changed the law completely when he became the head of the believers. On taxes, for muslims, its duty for them to give 20% for khums.. llLy, Jizya is just welfare taxes for the non believers. So, unbelievers can give it and live in that state. People of hamas liked it more than system of the romans..
>>2401 >mallu bsdk topkek this was the worst he could say
>>2389 >>2390 >>2391 Aryans don't need Jesus to make them sinless ,they understood the path to pay for their own karma .
>>2391 You sidestepped, who died on the cross and can god really die? And if it was god, then a sinless being dying, doesnt take away my sin. (Also, hope you dont believe god died).and if human died, then it was just a human, he cant absolve everyone off their sins.
>>2404 Again, The Son made himself man and came to Earth to guide humanity. When his human form died he came back on the third day and ascended to heaven. God didn't die, his human form did. God can never die. God is beyond life and death but I'm sure you know that.
>>2400 >20 percent tax Teri raand maa ko bech kar paise naa bhar de non believers. Anither reminder yaaro Ek kashmiri terrorist, ek wo turk, ek jo pakistan ko bulane ki dhamki de raha tha or bhi aaate jaate rehte hain roz. In maa ke lodho ko jabtak gujarat se bura treatment nahi milega desh bachega nahi
>>2406 Forgot Miya Bhai pyaare
>>2405 I will defend my church and god from Saracens, Jews and anyone else who slanders it. Amen.
>>2405 What is god's human form? Jesus, the son, so he is dead? And it was god who ascended Ans how is god constituted lmao? 33.33 father, 33.33 son and 33.33 holy spirit
>>2407 Or behan ka lodha jannie sallu bhai. Din ki 50 same handoo randee thread or mullo ki saari tgread gayab Wo kk menon wala dialogue bilkul sahi hai.. Main to maa ke lodho oar bilkul taras nahi khaunga ,saalo ko aari se bhi katna padha to kardoonga
>>2409 Jesus of Nazareth was the Human form of the Son (The Father, Son and the Holy spirit constitute what is complete god) and unless you accept this and Jesus's covenant and gospels. You will be lost and tempted by false prophets.
>>2411 Least based Jaat.
>>2408 >I will defend my church and god from Saracens, Jews and anyone else who slanders it. Amen.
>>2412 God is one, not three..sorry
>>2415 God is made of three beings not just one. Sorry, ignorant unbeliever
>>2408 Please defend it properly we need a legal reason to arrest and encounter you and the reason for arrest would be "came between municipality work of breaking illegal place of worship"
>>2414 Arab Christians are one of the most based communities ever. Despite oppression by Saracens and persecution they are strong to faith. Amen, They will reach heaven.
>>2417 Your own country is not defending your faith.
>>2416 >God is made Least heretical christian
>>2417 Sirs why post sentalese we have our own cult classics
>>2420 Why is it so hard for you to accept the Trinity? you only worship a part of god not him fully.
>>2419 >modi pm >yogi cm >abused popat on tv Bjo is so based they r making hindus look persecuted even after ravishing muslims daily They r high iq unless u low iq chamars who dont know how political mobilization works
Is the point of the religion of Islam to steal other people's prophets and religions and call it a day? kekek.
>>2406 Btw, that 20% was for believers
>>2425 Post hand shitskin dalit convert
>>2425 Ironic coming from a christian
>>2427 He is kaluta mallu chamar from Pol who should remain on that shit board
>>2423 >Made up gods Are you calling your own god made up? Allah is literally YHWH who is also The Father. By calling god made up, How do you call yourself a Muslim?
>>2430 I dont worship christian god? You are heretical polytheist
>>2429 Arrey ye wo naschamarani dravidian hyperbirea hai kya
>>2427 I'm Syriac Christian, I am not insulted by your words. Also I posted my distinctly light skin face on the Groomcord so.
>>2431 Do you not even know your god properly? All Christians worship God, In Syria and Iraq, they call God "Allah" since Allah in Arabic simply means god. If Abraham worshiped Allah and Jews say he worshipped Elohim/YHWH, Are they not the same deity?
>>2432 Finally this newfag recognized me
>>2429 /pol/ and /rta/ are the only meaningful boards in this chappal making website.
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>>2435 Yes, when we say Allah, we mean 1. Not 3 different things, which you worship. Jesus was not a trinitarian btw.. he was a monotheist. He only worshipped the father. Read the bible..bye
>>2438 The real bible (not the fake apostle ones)
>>2438 I do read the Bible dumbfuck, Jesus himself was part of the Trinity. No matter how many times I tell it to you, you keep following the words of the irrelevant Qur'an and the heretical Muhammad.
>>2439 and what would that be? the Peshitta? The Hebrew Bible? King James? Orthodox Greek?
>>2437 Yes /b/ is adharit sena we only discuss Hindu theology here rest are not welcome specially foreign setllers
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>>2438 Saracens are so hard to reason with. They keep strawmanning.
>>2442 I unironically used to want to join Aadharit Sena kek
>>2444 Back when I was Athiest fascist
>>2441 The quran (it contains everything that was in the bible). Peace Im out.
>>2446 katwe ye to btade tu hai konse shejar ka. Avoid krna padhega jaana
>>2446 I will not accept Delusional hereticisms of the Qur'an. besides I have cemented the fact that Muhammad was a false prophet. What kind of shit religion has to promise material and sexual pleasures in heaven to make its believers do good kekek.
>>2448 >What kind of shit religion has to promise material and sexual pleasures in heaven to make its believers do good kekek Heaven ,cuckstianity Kek kek kek
>>2449 Christianity doesn't offer material pleasures in Heaven, only spiritual satisfaction, Of course you a pagan wouldn't understand.
>>2447 Dont go to delhi, mumbai, or any metropolitan. Hyderabad, lucknow etc..Lol we are everywhere if you think like that. Dw, we dont bite
>>2450 >There will be every pleasure and excitement you have ever experienced on Earth, only FAR BETTER! All the beautiful love, the joys of sex and children, as well as variety, change, the challenges of new horizons, new work, new tasks to perform, even the adventure of pioneering new Worlds! Every heart's desire will become a REALITY in that HEAVENLY CITY! And every thrill, every excitement, every beautiful love or fulfilling work that you heard about and longed for in THIS life, but were never able to have, will be yours in THAT Heavenly Realm!- Accha
>>2451 >he thinks we r afraid Bsdk abhi katne walo ho ,ya to hosh mein aa jao
>>2452 >t. I made it the fuck up because this is not a biblical verse Which Book of the bible is this?
>>2453 >Afraid Lll come down big boy, it was a joke about you avoiding me
>>2454 Bro had to make up false information kek
>>2455 See you in the battlefield, Saracen. Let's repeat 1187 again. ☦️ God is with us, Amen ☦️
>>2455 Adress de behan ke lodhe katwe kr ek baao or allah ko maanne wala ho to miliyo wahin Naa teri gend todh di to baat hai Sali kati lulli hoti nahi khadhi Baat choddein badhi badhi
>>2456 Tujhe bible poori yaad hai smellu kalwe. Le iss website se li hai https://deeptruths.com/treasures/heaven_pleasures.html
>>2459 >deep truths that's not a bible verse.
>>2459 poo in the loo, bimaroo
>>2312 Even Shia wants to kills Hindus? I thought only Sunnis did
>>2362 Kyunki ye katwa Shia hai. Despite being muslims, Shia's still have a little brain and can act rational and civilized but Sunnis are just monkey's who start screeching like retards everytime you say something that goes against their beliefs
>>2380 >>2366 >>2382 >>2384 >>2391 This >>2386 tbh. Look at these abrahacucks, they worship the same God but believe the other person won't go to heaven because of minor symbolic and philosophical disagreement. Same shit with Shia and Sunni. Both of them literally have the same holy book but kill each other over disputes about the successors of a Prophet. What kind of God would send you to hell over minor disagreement about Prophets? That's how retarded Abrahamics are. Hinduism and other religions have the concept of one supreme God as well but I'm not retarded enough to think that God will send me to hell or reject me over minor disagreement such as the status of a prophet. Retarded clowns all Abrahamics >>2390 Not all Hindus engage in idol worship. >>2399 For you the cross is a symbol of God, for the Jews the Ark of the covenant, and we symbolically portray God in a human form and worship him. What's wrong with this? >>2406 Based and true
>>2422 Assuming what you're saying is true, why would God not accept you into heaven if you only worship part of him? If someone is born a Muslim, they're told all their lives that God is 1 and there's no way for them to know definitely that God is made up of the holy trinity. How would it be fair to send them to hell? >>2423 Same question for you. If a man is born Christian and he thinks of Jesus as the son of God why would God send him to hell? He's been told all his life that Jesus is the son of God and there's no way for him to know definitely that Jesus was a prophet. So how would it be fair for God to send him to hell? You both worship the same god. Isn't that what matters?
>>2424 Very true yaar. They're buttfucking both Muslims and Christians
>>2448 >What kind of shit religion has to promise material and sexual pleasures in heaven to make its believers do good kekek You actually bring a very valid point. These people can't comprehend beyond materialistic pleasure
>>2450 Even Hinduism offers spiritual satisfaction as the ultimate goal retard. You don't know what Hinduism even is. We're not all ooga booga idol worshippers. Our ultimate goal is the attainment of Moksha (salvation) . Moksha is a state where we become one with God (Brahman) and our liberated from all earthly and material attachment. Liberation from material attachments is the ultimate goal of hindusim.
>>2464 It is in the Mosaic Covenant to not engage in Idol worship, it is forbidden in our faith.
>>2467 See, Muhammad was a delusional pervert who used the abrahamic faith to convince arabs that he is a prophet while he was a nobody. Gabriel didn't approach him, Satan did. Muslims don't do good for the sake of doing good, they do good to meet their 72 virgins.
>>2468 Good for you, yet you offer your gods gold, money, and other material.
>>2464 They are literally slandering and tarnishing the word of God. How do they ever hope of going to heaven?
the shia religion is based on emotion, dogma, revenge and fabrication the sunni faith is based on solid foundations which is the quran and sunnah
>>2471 It is said in the Bhagwat Geeta that if a devotee offers even a leaf with devotion, God will accept it. Ik there are many people who make lavish offerings to the Gods but they are ignorant. We must make sacrifices and offerings to God as a way of showing our devotion to him, it doesn't have to be gold or money tho some ignorant people do it
>>2473 >Solid foundations Like killing the prophet's family... Yeah
>>2490 Ali was killed by kharijites, hussain was killed by ubayd allah ibn ziyad, it is unclear wether his murder was ordered by yazid or not, and even if yazid did order his murder, yazid has no special status he was just a random king not sahabi, some sunni sources curse him and others are neutral because there are no reports on his reign with an authentic chain of narration. Ali himself was sunni, if you want proof look at the names of his sons, hasan was also sunni, look at the names of the sons of hasan.
>>2307 Daily reminder that abrahamcuckism is brootally mogged by esoteric vedic aryan theology
>>2495 >Ali was killed by kharijites This is not even the point here. Are you purposefully forgetting when Umr tried to kill Ali(A.s.), when the prophet's (pbuh) dead body was laying down, and cuz he wanted to slurp everything from ahl al-bayt. He only stopped cuz fatimah stopped him saying: "You have left the body of the Apostle of God with us and you have decided among yourselves without consulting us, and without respecting our rights. Before God, I say, either you get out of here at once, or with my hair dishevelled I will make my appeal to God." And what did Umr say before his speech, "And Ali and Zubayr with their companions withdrew from us." Woah, how sunni of him. There's more : "In the end, the third of them ['Uthman] stood up shrugging his shoulders arrogantly. and there stood with him the sons of his father, eating up the property of God as the camels eat up the springtide verdure, until what he had twisted became untwisted. His destruction was complete, and his greediness made him fall to the ground. Then all of a sudden I was frightened to see a crowd of people around myself, thick as the hyena's mane, thronging towards me from every direction until [my sons] Hasan and Husayn were mobbed and my two sides were split, gathering around me like a herd of goats." "How strange indeed a strangeness in which God makes the hearts dead and brings grief is the gathering of these people [Mu'awiya's supporters] in their falsehood and your standing aloof from your right. Woe unto you, and fire upon you, for you have become a target which is shot at; you are raided and you raid not; you are attacked and you do not fight back; and God is disobeyed and you are content to see that." || And behold, 'Hasan' (a.s.) "the sunni"|| "We were shocked to see that some people snatched away our right from us even though they were men of excellence, virtues, and merits, and were the forerunners in Islam [reference to the first three caliphs]." You are a liar fucking idiot.
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>>2499 >a bunch of weak fabricated garbage If umar tried to kill ali when the prophet died in 632, then why did ali name his son umar in 635 ? Btw sunni muslims believe that ali was more deserving of caliphate than muawiya and this is why he is our 4th rashidun caliph and muawiya is not considered rashidun, however we don't make takfir on muawiya like you because he was muslim otherwise ali and hasan wouldn't have abdicated rule to him if he was kaffir Also the quran literally says that the earliest muhajirun (abu bakr and umar and ali) are in heaven
>>2502 >NO, THAT IS Weak.... Weak, doesnt mean false first of all lmao... You are a dumbass. Also, what is 'shiqshiqiyya" sermon. Read more Why did he name his son Umar >Who is Umar Ibn Ali Salama Ra And, I have already shown you how much hated Mu'awaiya was by Ali and Haasan in previous post. >however we don't make takfir on muawiya like you because he was muslim otherwise ali and hasan wouldn't have abdicated rule to him if he was kaffir Wow, they just abdicated.. bruh, if you wanna be seen as something of a threat atleast get your history straight. Its a complex issue and you are handling like its a lego set he abdicated. Okay, this one is to seal it, Imam hasan (a.s.) in one of his speeches said, as narrated by Ibn A'tham: "O people of Iraq, what should I do with your people who are with me? Here is the letter of Qays b. Sa'd informing me that even the nobles (ashraf) from among you have gone over to Mu'awiya. By God, what shocking and abominable behaviour on your part! You were the people who forced my father to accept arbitration at Siffin; and when the arbitration to which he yielded [because of your demand] took place, you turned against him. And when he called upon you to fight Mu'awiya once again, then you showed your slackness and lassitude. After the death of my father, you yourself came to me and paid me homage out of your own desire and wish. I accepted your homage and came out against Mu'awiya; only God knows how much I meant to do [i.e. how full of zeal and spirit I was in facing Mu'awiya's challenge]. Now you are behaving in the same manner as before [with my father]. O People of Iraq, it would be enough for me from you if you would not defame me in my religion, because now I am going to hand over this affair [the caliphate) to Mu'awiya."
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>>2503 >shiqshiqiyya sermon which has a notoriously bad sanad ? in the chain of narration you find Aban ibn Uthman, ibn Majlaweyh and Abu Abdullah Burqui narrating from his father Muhammad ibn Khalid ibn Abdurrahman. source : https://lib.eshia.ir/15257/1/361 let's see what shia scholars say about these people : >From Nuqad ar-Rijal of Tifrashi (1/#14) : The investigator said in Al-Moatbar in the descriptions of those entitled to zakat: There is weakness in Aban bin Othman >Al-Kashi narrated on the authority of Muhammad bin Masoud on the authority of Ali bin Al-Hassan: that Aban bin Othman was from the Nausiyyah and the closest to me is the acceptance of his narration, even if he was a corrupt sect of the aforementioned consensus >Fakhr Al-Muhaqiqin said: I asked my father, may God have mercy on him, about him, and he said: The closest thing is that his narration is not accepted because God Almighty says (If an immoral person comes to you with news, verify it) and there is no greater immorality than lack of faith. >Muhammad ibn Ali Majilawayh mentioned by al-Tusi in his Rijal in 'mentioning the names of those who did not narrate from one of the imams and did not explain his condition', In the translation of Muhammad ibn Ibrahim al-Nu’mani, he said: “As for his trustworthiness, it has not been proven, and it is not to the satisfaction of al-Saduq (fadeh) that is a sign of good deeds, let alone trustworthiness.” Lexicon Rijal al-Hadith 15/231. The man is unknown, even if al-Saduq is satisfied with him, as al-Khoei sees it. >Ahmad b. Ali al-Najashi said in his Al-Rijal [898] : Muhammad bin Khalid bin Abd al-Rahman bin Muhammad bin Ali al-Barqi Abu Abdullah, the mawla of Abu Musa al-Ash’ari, is attributed to Barqa Rud, a village from Sawad Qom on a valley there. He had brothers known as Abu Ali al-Hasan bin Khalid and Abu al-Qasim al-Fadl bin Khalid. And Ibn Al-Fadl has a son known as Ali Bin Al-Ala Bin Al-Fadl Bin Khaled Fakih. Muhammad was weak in hadith, and he was well-versed in the news and sciences of the Arabs. He has books, including: The Book of Revelation and Expression, The Book of Days and Nights. lol even according to your own shia scholars the sanad chain of this shiqshiqiyya is extremely weak, with multiple bad links >akshually he named him after Umar Ibn Ali Salama kek then why did he also name his other sons abu bakr and uthman, just a coincidence that he named them after what are supposedly his worst enemies and kuffar right ? also hasan did the same, even though abu bakr was an uncommon name lmao first of all let's look at what hadith scientists say about ibn A'tham : >Al-Safadi said Ahmed bin A'tham Al-Kufi, Abu Muhammad Al-Akhbari, the Shiite historian. according to yaqut : he is weak according to the people of hadeeth. His fashionable book. The book of al-Futuh is well-known and mentioned in it to the days of al-Rashid and its history goes back to the days of al-Muqtadir. He started it with the days of al-Ma'mun >Hafiz Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani in lisan al-Mizan bascally says the same thing about ibn A'tham >Al-Alusi said in Rūh al-Ma'ānī : He defended the Mother of the Believers, Aisha (ra): And what the Shiites claimed that she (ra) was the one who incited people to kill Othman. source : https://al-maktaba.org/book/31621/28078 kek even your own weak shiite source is defending Aisha, also no where does it say that muawiya was kaffir, let alone abu bakr or umar. if hasan abdicated to a kaffir, this would go directly against quran 4:59 that tells muslims to obey those in authority among you (muslims and not kuffar). shia can only debate strawmen, keep slapping your chest, praying to dead people, practicing temporary marriage, and giving up 20% of your wealth in khums
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>>2504 >shiqshiqya sermon is not accepted by shias LMAOOOOOO YOU MORROCCAN DIPSHIT. IT IS WIDELY ACCEPTED YA CUNT... OVER 20 DIFFERENT CHAINS DONT LIE... ITS NOT WEAK WHEN 20 TIMES IT HAS BEEN MENTIONED BY DIFFERENT PEOPLE. 💀💀 >Why did he name his sons Abu Bakr and Uthman His name was Abdullah not abubakr, Abubakr is an epithet given to him based on circumstances... Lmao. And, what these are just names. Lots of followers of the Ahl Al-bayt had named themselves Yazid, does that mean we have started supporting that vile infidel? For ex. One companion of Imam Sadiq(a.s.) was named Shimr Bin Yazid. You know, who Shimr is right??? Also, Uthman was a common name of that time.. around 26 companion of our prophet(saww) had that name. But if you still have some doubts, I would quote imam Ali(a.s.) in his own word for you: "‘I have given him this name after my brother (close friend) Uthman bin Maz’oon.’ (Al Isfahani)
>>2504 And related to A'isha, let me quote your sources. And lets not talk about how Aisha talked about cleansing semen from Prophet's (saww) clothes.. such vile disrespect talking about his personal life..Isn't this strictly prohibited to in the Quran, defaming them? >Shaykh Kamaluddin Damiri also records in his famed work Hayat al-Haywan, Volume 1 page 43: When Ayesha (ra) was informed about the murder of Ali (ra), she said: ‘And she threw down her staff and settled upon her place of abode, like the traveler happy to return home’ Al Imama wal Siyasa, Volume 1 page 45 we learn that: “Following Uthman’s murder Zubayr approached Ayesha in Makka and said ‘Look they have made ‘Ali Khalifa. She said, What right does ‘Ali have to rule over our necks? I will not stay in Madina as long as ‘Ali is in power”. Now, wait a min, thoda sabr karo: "Ali observed: By Him Who split up the seed and created something living, the Apostle (may peace and blessings be upon him) gave me a promise that no one but a believer would love me, and believe none but a hypocrite would nurse grudge against me." (Sahih Muslim 78: Book 1, Hadith 146). I won't say anything more about that vile woman. She literally waged a war against the rightful hier, just so one of his sister's husband became the caliph. https://ashqayaan.blogspot.com/2014/11/aisha-is-not-mother-of-believers.html?m=1
>>2508 Rekt lol. You made this thread worth reading anon
>>2509 I'm OP
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>>2507 >>shiqshiqya sermon is not accepted by shias who said it's not accepted by shia ? we know you accept it despite the fact that the chain of narration is weak if you check what your biggest scientists like khoei say about the narrators, there is not a single authentic sanad for this sermon all of them are weak or mawdu', shias simply don't care about authenticity they just pick and choose what they like. >Abubakr is an epithet however abu bakr was the name he was people called him and what he was known by, the sons of ali are literally named as abu bakr, umar and uthman pure coincidence right ? >>2508 as for bukhari 4914 and other hadiths narrated by umar about aisha, first of all we don't believe 'umar or aisha or anyone except the prophet is infallible unlike you, in our belief a muslim can do wrong and be forgiven through tawba, however we do find that ali disobeyed and angered the prophet in your own sources (we don't say ali was unjust in what he did btw, he had the right to do what he did, but the prophet was hurt) >It is narrated on the authority of Abu Abdullah Jafar Al-Sadiq: A miserable of the miserables came to Fatima, the daughter of the Messenger of Allah, and said to her: "Did you not know that Ali proposed to marry the daughter of Abu Jahl?" She said: "Is it true what you say? He said three times: "What I say is true." Jealousy entered into her to an extent she could not control it, for Allah has ordained that women be jealous and that men perform Jihad, and He has made the reward of the patient (woman) similar to that of the Murabit and Muhajir in the way of Allah. And Fatima’s anguish became severe and she remained thinking about it until night time…she moved to her father’s residence. Ali came to his residence and did not see Fatima and his anguish increased and became great on him, even though he did not know what happened, and he was ashamed to call her from her father’s house so he went to the Masjid and prayed as much as Allah willed, and he collected some of the sand in the Masjid and laid on it. When the Prophet saw how sad and anguished Fatima was, he poured water over himself and wore his clothes and entered the Masjid. He kept praying, making Rukoo and Sujood, and after every time he completed two Raka he made Du’a that Allah remove what Fatima had of sadness and anguish because he left her turning over and breathing heavily. When the Prophet saw that she could not sleep and could not rest he said: "O daughter, rise!" So she rose and the Prophet carried Al-Hassan and she carried Al-Hussain and took hold of Umm Kulthoom’s hand until they reached Ali (AS) while he was sleeping. The Prophet put his foot on Ali, pinched him, and said: "Rise Abu Turab! You have disturbed many a resting person. Call for me Abu Bakr from his house and Umar from his Majlis and Talha." So Ali went and got them from their houses and they gathered around the Messenger of Allah. The Messenger of Allah then said: "O Ali! Do you not know that Fatima is a piece of me and I am from her. Whoever disturbs her, disturbs me and whoever disturbs me has disturbed Allah, and whoever disturbs her after my death then as if he has disturbed her in my lifetime and whoever disturbed her in my lifetime then as if he has disturbed her after my death." Source: Ibn Babveh Al Qummi’s "Ilal al-sharayi'", pp.185-186, Al-Najaf Print; also narrated in Majlisi "Bihar al-anwar" 43/201-202 >Aisha talked about cleansing semen from Prophet's (saw) clothes there is nothing najis about anything coming from the prophet, it's all tahir and mubarak >Al Imama wal Siyasa we don't accept this source and it's considered apocrypha tier to ijma', the author is completely anounymous and uncertain for one, most narrations in it are completely lacking any isnad, Abu Bakr ibn al-Arabi, Mashhur ibn Hasan a-Salman, Abdullah ibn Abdurrahim Usaylan, Ali nafi' Al-Alayani among others have all dismissed it entirely as a shiite fabrication. how can you claim to love the prohpet, yet you constantly dishonor his wife like this ? even though the wives of the prophet are ahl al-bayt according to quran 11:73 and 28:12, this is why twelverism will forever be fringe and marginal. >>2509 hello iraqi immigrant in germany